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I think this is the heart of the matter. We can debate "coerced" vs "empowered" but until there are no negative consequences associated with porn, there will be no end to that argument. For some it's coercion, sometimes by force. For others it's not, or at least it's not clear.

Who knows - maybe this millennial generation will be the first to destigmatize sex work, or at least sex shaming, in some way. After all, this is the generation that is growing up with the technology that has made it so easy to take nude pictures, and to have those pictures inadvertently shared with others. Someone of my generation would be horrified if a nude picture came up in a search engine that someone might check for a background check, but maybe these kids will be more blase about it; "of course I've had nude pics hacked from my phone - what kind of prude hasn't!"

Sorry, just being silly. I have no experience with this subject, there are a million edge cases I don't understand, it is something that I think would be important for me to understand, but I barely know where to begin.

I bet a problem is always that when there is a choice between two stories -- the inhuman victimizers and the human victims -- the latter is a kind of storytelling easy mode. But then it becomes a story about the victims' responsibility for their own happiness, which is a problem.

It came across as mocking those of us who were taking the discussion seriously and also you being afraid that if you did take part in the discussion (which you are actually taking part in...?) it would mean you'd get unecessarily reamed or something, as if we're all big meanies looking to bring you down. That said, I don't think it was at all intentional and I think you were just trying to bring some levity and it sort of fell flat, but in general you leave thoughtful comments and I enjoy our conversations so no worries. At this point I'm derailing now weee!

You know, you're probably close to the truth. Also, in Florida, they have VERY VERY VERY loose privacy laws. Arrest records and stuff are, if I remember correctly, public. Journalists have WAY more freedom to write about things that may not be legal to write about publicly in other states. So basically, everything you do in Florida can be seen and read by all.

This is the biggest reason why Florida comes across as so wackadoodle. We see all of it. I also bet it makes it easier for disadvantaged folks to be taken advantage of, as well as harder for people who make poor decisions or have bad luck to fix their mistakes in the future, because it is ALL OUT THERE for everyone to see.

I remember reading of a site that allowed prostitutes and johns to view each other, rank and review each other, and negotiate better prices. Everyone liked it. Abusive Johns were black listed. Good johns were cherished. The women with particular talents or skills could charge more due to the reviewers saying it was worth the extra amount. The prostitutes could also network and do some price fixing to a degree.

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So the story, basically, is that small town America is so hatefully monstrous that being an abused sex worker (or more commonly a meth addict) is preferable to having to engage with it. That certainly matches my personal experience.

This does come across as a little one-sided, however. I know quite a few women in the sex business, including one that does work along the lines of "amateur" stuff, as well as two friends in the "cam girl" business, and one who would be considered an actual "porn star" -- and their experiences are not at all like this. They are all nerdy women from normal families, in fact. Most of them grew up in the city, not a small town, too.

This seems more like a symptom of a much larger problem that cause people to have very little choices to begin with, and also which prevents those who are in the sex industry from being able to be treated respectfully and with agency in their line of work. There are also a lot of disadvantaged people who are abused in other forms of work not having to do with sex.

Not all young female sex workers think they are making a "dreadful mistake". Perhaps if sex work wasn't as stigmatized to begin with, it WOULD NOT be considered a mistake. Perhaps if we treated sex workers, women, POC, poor people, and other marginalized groups as full human beings with agency, the choice to be a sex worker would be less fraught. Women (and men!) could make a livable wage while working in a safe environment. Rather than allowed to be abused, and then told the reason they were abused is because they are a sex worker.

And to comment on this quote again... this comes off like a scare-tactic. "BEWARE! Our young, impressionable female children are at risk! Technology will cause them to make terrible mistakes! They will have sex! Possibly even make porn! And they will be ruined! And technology is to blame for sullying our young women and girls!"

Perhaps if we treated sex workers, women, POC, poor people, and other marginalized groups as full human beings with agency, the choice to be a sex worker would be less fraught. Women (and men!) could make a livable wage while working in a safe environment. Rather than allowed to be abused, and then told the reason they were abused is because they are a sex worker.

It's a recurring theme. Pushing people into a semi-legal un-or-underregulated market creates its own set of problems, which are then used to stigmatise the people in those situations further.We should be pushing towards full legal regulation to solve these problems, but the status quo suits a strange coalition of the morally outraged and the profiteers.

I am glad everyone you know is happy and well adjusted and enjoys their job. But we warn people about coercion for sex in the dating world. Certainly in the sex trade there is coercion to do things that perhaps they don't fully want to do at the time, and later regret or wouldn't do again.

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